Bilbo Baggins I Dont Know Half of You
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| Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 eight:19:51 AM |
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"I don't know half of yous half likewise as I should similar; and I similar less than half of you half also as you deserve."
- Bilbo Baggins
What does this mean ??? Tried reading it multiple times in multiple ways (pauses)... Nice to read though , thanks to Jyrkka (his signature)
| Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:37:08 AM |
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He was drunk! 
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rluna wrote:
He was drunk!
Me, Bilbo or J.R.R?
| Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 eight:55:33 AM |
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Ambiha Murthy wrote:
"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you lot half likewise as you deserve."
- Bilbo Baggins
What does this mean ??? Tried reading it multiple times in multiple means (pauses)... Squeamish to read though , thanks to Jyrkka (his signature)
I experience similar Jyrkka should exist the ane to elaborate every bit information technology is his signature.
However my thoughts, it's a encephalon twister to be sure!
"I don't know half of you half too as I should similar..."
He does not know fifty% of the Hobbits as well/much as he would similar to.
..."and I like less than half of yous half besides as you deserve."
There are fewer than 50% of the hobbits that he feels he does not similar equally much equally they deserve.
Am I Style off? could exist
| Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:07:16 AM |
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Jyrkkä Jätkä wrote:
rluna wrote:
He was drunk!
Me, Bilbo or J.R.R?
It would be great if we all were. Bilbo was bellyaching at all the freeloading hobbits who were fighting over Bag Cease. :)
| Posted: Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 9:12:08 AM |
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I don't know half of you one-half too as I should like;
He's saying that he really doesn't know all that many hobbits (1/two) and the half that he does know, he know hardly anything virtually them...
and I like less than one-half of you half too as you deserve."
and the small amount of people that he does similar, deserved to be liked (or treated) better than he did.
anyway... that's what I got out of it.... in other words... he should take gotten to know them all better and treated them ameliorate while he was there with them... Yes?
| Posted: Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 10:27:19 AM |
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Vickster and Rara take it.
I e'er felt that he was saying "I've been a reclusive guy since I got back, and there are many of you here I would have liked to have known better. And so there are the remainder of you, many of whom I did Not invite (like the Sackville crew), who I've been grinning at and waving 'how-do-you-do' to for years, and most of you bastards didn't fifty-fifty deserve that."
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nightshade wrote:
Vickster and Rara have information technology.
I ever felt that he was saying "I've been a reclusive guy since I got dorsum, and there are many of you lot here I would have liked to accept known meliorate. And then at that place are the residue of you, many of whom I did Not invite (similar the Sackville coiffure), who I've been smiling at and waving 'hello' to for years, and almost of you bastards didn't fifty-fifty deserve that."
Agreed on both counts, merely I love the manner you put information technology, nightshade.
| Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:31:xviii AM |
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Where is Jyrkkä Jätkä in this topic?
It is afterward all his/her signature.....
I would love to know your reasons for having it equally your signature and its meaning to you.
RA
| Posted: Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 12:29:42 PM |
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I accept it more every bit a backhanded insult to many of his guests. The second half of the saying, I interpret equally, "Those of you lot that I practice know, I don't actually similar." But he spins it by maxim that he doesn't like them "half as well equally they deserve," pregnant he should like them more than he does, merely he just doesn't.
The first half is a bit nicer "I don't know half of yous one-half equally well as I should like." He'due south saying, "I recognize that many of the people here are worth knowing, but unfortunately, I oasis't had a risk to get to know yous well and develop a fondness for y'all." Even this is insulting, because in all of his years, what was stopping him from getting to know them? He didn't experience information technology was important plenty to make that effort.
Then again, if he did get to know them, he probably wouldn't like them anyway, given his proclivity to dislike people more than they deserve.
Overall, this is one of the nearly clever lines in all of literature.
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Either mode... I Dearest Beloved LOVE these books... The Hobbit & Lord of the Band Trilogy!!!
| Posted: Tuesday, Apr 27, 2010 1:30:10 PM |
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I have read Hobbit, Lord of the Rings and Silmarillion - don't know how many times. Nowadays merely because of Tolkien'due south language. MichalG is correct, this is ane of the cleverest polite insults written.
But to tease you I first idea to put the line translated into Finnish, that way it's a scrap more clear but ambiguous:
"En tunne puoliakaan teistä niin hyvin kuin pitäisi
enkä pidä puolistakaan niin paljon kuin ansaitsisitte."
(half of the guests were quietly thinking if this was politeness or what...;-)
I remember reading Bilbo'southward speech several times before I understood its full pregnant.
Thank yous all for your interest.
| Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:31:17 PM |
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RARA wrote:
Where is Jyrkkä Jätkä in this topic?
Information technology is after all his/her signature.....
RA
I'chiliad he ;-)
| Posted: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 7:30:54 PM |
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y'all guys are all probably right. Just if I may add another perspective. He is saying zip because the two statements abolish each other out?
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Which reminds me. . .
It's Bilbo'southward birthday on Sabbatum - or is it next Sunday?
It'due south very difficult since Pope Gregory stole those ten days out of the calendar!
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Perhaps,
"I don't know half of yous (Hobbits) half(/much) as well as I should like (to know) (or to non know?)
and i like less than half of you (Hobbits) half besides as you lot deserve (to be liked)."?
I had fun trying to remember it through. Thanks for putting this up. :D
| Posted: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 12:07:00 PM |
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Ambiha Murthy wrote:
"I don't know one-half of you half also every bit I should like; and I like less than one-half of you half as well as you deserve."
- Bilbo Baggins
What does this mean ??? Tried reading it multiple times in multiple ways (pauses)... Nice to read though , thanks to Jyrkka (his signature)
Information technology's easier if you think of real numbers. Let's say there are 100 Hobbits living in Hobbiton. Bilbo knows fifty of them less than he wishes he did. There's only one of him, and information technology takes time to go to know someone well! He knows and likes those 50 people, he just wishes he knew them better, but there only isn't enough him or time to! Unlike the next fix of folks, he likes them as much as they deserve, only he wishes he _knew_ them better! Next, there are, let usa say, 45 other Hobbits, that's less than half, and he knows them, and likes them, but he feels that he likes them less than he feels they deserve. I've always idea if he'd had enough time, he would accept gotten to know and similar them better. Again, one him, limited fourth dimension. My approximate is he likes everyone to some extent, except for the Sackville Bagginses.
Anyway, that's my accept. I've been reading these books for 40+ years!
| Posted: Monday, January 19, 2015 iii:nineteen:17 PM |
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I imagine he was trying to re-phrase a popular quote from elsewhere, namely:
"In that location are simply 10 kinds of people in the world (perchance a reference to un-accessible human perfection ?), ... namely, those who understand binary logic versus those who practice not."
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Prattling along with empty talk, playing effectually with words, but actually saying nothing.
Some speakers can go on with that kind of oral communication and some listeners don't realize that it
is empty talk.
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rogermue wrote:
Prattling along with empty talk, playing around with words, only actually saying nil.
Some speakers can keep with that kind of speech and some listeners don't realize that information technology
is empty talk.
Some politicians brand a living at information technology.
Especially the speeches telling what is going to be done well-nigh the recent ______________ crisis.
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He acknowledges a less than ideal human relationship with half of the attendants. He then states that less than half of his audience has a case against him, in terms of him liking them ameliorate.
Catchy and fun wordplay, but ultimately manageable. No one could claim to be direct insulted, despite the initial impressions ane might experience upon hearing/reading it.
Case closed.
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MiTziGo wrote:
I take it more than as a backhanded insult to many of his guests. The 2nd half of the saying, I interpret as, "Those of you that I practise know, I don't really like." But he spins information technology by maxim that he doesn't like them "half as well as they deserve," pregnant he should like them more than than he does, but he simply doesn't.
The first half is a fleck nicer "I don't know half of you half equally well as I should similar." He's saying, "I recognize that many of the people here are worth knowing, just unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to become to know you well and develop a fondness for you." Fifty-fifty this is insulting, considering in all of his years, what was stopping him from getting to know them? He didn't feel information technology was important plenty to make that effort.
Then once more, if he did get to know them, he probably wouldn't like them anyway, given his proclivity to dislike people more than they deserve.
Overall, this is 1 of the about clever lines in all of literature.
Another thought...
"I don't know half of you half as well as I SHOULD like"... No one actually mentioned the 'should' when explaining his words, but in how I see information technology, that word is pretty important? He states that Hobbit norms and values depict for him to be interested in other hobbits, or at least, to feel the need to know a lot about them. He thus distantiates himself from being 'that kind' of a hobbit, suggesting the other hobbits are snobs.
"And I like less than half of you half also as y'all deserve" ... here, he adds to the fact he doesn't like them. They never gave him the urge to know them better, considering as little as he knows well-nigh them, he even didn't similar that office. And so yeah, that'south what you said MiTziGo ;). He even might be confessing he knows the part of him that 'dislikes' the other hobbits, is a curious role. They are all doing their best, living the happy, disconcerned life they alive, and really deserve more attending from him... but he has seen the bigger program, he knows how the world works and only can't find himself to be interested in everyday life in Hobbiton anymore...
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I don't retrieve it was meant equally an insult wrapped up nicely. I always understood information technology as an apology to please the oversupply and keep them interested. And to me it goes like this:
"I don't know half of y'all have as well as I should similar, and I like less than half of you half as well every bit you deserve."
I only know/like up to half of you people, and simply for up to a maximum of less than half every bit I should like (to know/like any of you lot), and so even those few of you that I've ended up knowing/liking every bit much equally I have are good people and I should have tried to know/should similar you even more than, permit alone the rest of you (that I know/like much less) who are just as adept.
PS: He only said that he didn't know them all as much as he should, not that he simply knew some of them. He knew all of them and that's why he could name the families (Bolgers, Boffins, Proudfoots 
Proudfeet..). Also, 1 doesn't have to know a person to similar them. You may similar or dislike someone considering of something you one time heard almost them, and so the two sentences can be independent. But that'southward just what I can go from information technology all..
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The judgement is a very mean insult, cleverly bearded.
He says: "I know the lot of you lot pretty darn well and you fully deserve the lilliputian liking that I have for y'all."
In detail:
"I don't know half of you lot half as well as I should like ..."
Exit out the "don't" in the sentence and what remains is that he knows half of them not very well.
Only he doesn't. Meaning that he knows more than that ameliorate than that.
"and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
Less than one-half of them don't get what they deserve. That may be a few less or considerably less. Maybe hardly anyone. So nigh of them get what they deserve.
It's all very British.
If you take into account what was said about all the Hobbits a little earlier in the volume, it is quite clear that Bilbo has a pretty expert thought nearly the dumbness, deviousness and greed of nigh other Hobbits and that his character cess is a adept plenty reason for him to non similar many of his fellow Hobbits a smashing deal.
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A similar quote, past Owen Barfield: "We must not forget, that nine-tenths of the words comprising the vocabulary of a civilized nation are never used past at most i 10th of the population; while of the remaining tithe, nine-tenths of those who use them are ordinarily enlightened of about one tenth of their meanings." Barfield was a friend, and fellow Inkling, of Tolkien.
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Let me call up nearly that one . . . 
I may exist some time. 
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There are 3 groups of people
"I don't know half of you half as well equally I should like ..."
a) People he would like to know more (50%)
"and I like less than one-half of yous half every bit well as yous deserve."
b) People he knows but doesn't treat them the mode they deserve which could be for the ameliorate or worse (1% - 49%)
(The unspoken left overs)
- Because group b is some number betwixt 1 and 49% there is a rest of unaccounted for hobbits that fall into this category
c) People he knows and treats them exactly the way they deserve, which again, could be for better or worse.
Example:
If there are 100 hobbits 50 of them are people he would take liked to have known more than. Group A.
Then y'all have a variable, 1 - 49. Group B. <-- you can't take fractions of hobbits this early in the book.
Of those hobbits, in his estimation, the number of hobbits in group b have not been treated as well as they deserve. For better or worse.
50 in grouping a
forty fall into grouping b
Some number of those members of grouping b i-40 are people who he thinks have wronged him and he should have put more energy into treating them equally poorly as he was treated.
While the other members of group b treated him kindly but he didn't put as much endeavour into making them friends.
The last set are people who get exactly what the deserve. In our instance that would be 10 hobbits.
10 in grouping c
Let's say of that group 5 are people he knows very well and likes them and treats them similar friends.
The other 5 are people he knows very well, dislikes them, and treats them the way he means to.
All in all the but matter he says for certain is that he didn't get to know half of them as well as he might take liked. The rest is this vague math with more variables so answers and leaves information technology for his audience (the hobbits in attendance) to figure out which category they fit into. The only clue the audience has is context. He starts by saying that 111 years was to short a time to live amid such admirable and noble hobbits. Clearly stating that he has a positive opinion of the majority of them. And then there are probably more people in the b and c group that he would count as friends or would have liked to have treated improve.
In summary I would have liked to take known more of you because I believe the lot of you are for the most part fine characters. Some of yous I have non treated with the respect or admonition that I should take, and the residual of you, you know that I either intendance for y'all or despise you because I accept treated y'all exactly the way I meant to.
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Ed Carter wrote:
There are 3 groups of people . . .
very logically worked out.
At present, I haven't forgotten Owen Barfield's quote about words - perchance we need the same logical arroyo . . .
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